Post Covid-19 Syndrome

Tired of being tired? Cough and post-nasal drip that won’t quit? Persistent headaches? Brain fog and trouble concentrating? Lack of exercise tolerance and poor exercise recovery? These are just a few of the symptoms people experience after the “acute” infection with Covid-19 resolves.

What and Who is Dr Lori & Covid Syndrome Patient

Announcer (00:27):
Welcome to anti-aging unraveled with Dr. Lori Gerber. The body is one of the most complicated systems
in the universe, Dr. Gerber and against Explorer, integrative medicine, and cosmetic dermatology,
combining traditional medicine, alternative health practices, new innovations and technology, which
work together to help you look and feel natural and age gracefully. Now here’s your host, Dr. Lori Gerber.

Lori Gerber D.O. (00:54):
Good evening everybody. And thank you for tuning in to anti-aging unraveled. Uh, tonight’s going to be a
little bit of a different format. I will be talking for about 30 minutes myself. I, uh, I’ve gotten a lot of
questions over the last couple of days and weeks actually. Um, about my background, where I came
from, how I started this business, um, Dr. Laurie, and, and why I did it. So I wanted to just start with going
through my background, where I come from my illness and, um, how I can identify with many of my
listeners. And then I will bring on, um, one of my patients for, I think, almost eight or nine years. Um,
Suzanne Simon, I’ll bring her in at the halfway point to talk about her experience with COVID. I did
promise someone that had, um, prolonged COVID or, um, long haulers syndrome.

Lori Gerber D.O. (01:40):
And she’ll also talk about she’s a Botox party, cosmetic party hostess, and has been doing cosmetics with
me for, like I said, almost I think almost 10 years, eight or nine years. So, um, that’s where we’re going
tonight. So hopefully you stay with me and join me for this adventure. I will try not to bore you too
much. Um, I’ve been told I can talk for an hour myself. So really my background is, uh, I started in, um, in
medicine, not because it was something I always knew that I wanted to do. Um, I’m from Langhorne,
Pennsylvania, and growing up, I actually thought I wanted to be a vet and I wanted to save all the
animals. And, you know, obviously, um, that didn’t happen. And I had went to a university of Delaware to
go to a undergrad and worked at a vet hospital there and hated putting animals to sleep all the time and
realized that’s not something I could do every day.

Lori Gerber D.O. (02:31):
So I guess the logical choice was just to switch to humans, but I originally went to be an art major. So
really, I didn’t really, I didn’t honestly know where I was going. Um, so I decided to stick with biology,
switched from art and yeah, finished Delaware with a biology major and a Spanish minor. I lived in Costa
Rica for a year, spoke, learned Spanish, um, had some of the most fun times of my, and now I, uh, I do
use Spanish frequently on a daily basis. So, you know, I thought that, um, at that point that I was going to
go into medicine, but I really didn’t have a clear picture of where I wanted to go. Um, so, you know,
looking back, I think, I always thought helping kids or animals was a natural fit for me. So when I first,
um, applied to med school, and this is for some of your parents out there that might, um, if your kids
aren’t sure where they’re going, I, I literally did not have a clue of where I was going to be.

Lori Gerber D.O. (03:34):
And I took my M cats and didn’t do very well the first time and decided I was going to take them again,
um, enrolled in a master’s program at Philadelphia college of osteopathic medicine and decided to go
into med school the following year. So I actually took my, um, cats twice. Did one year extra masters
before even going to med school. Um, I get asked a question a lot, why I chose a D.O. school, um, over an
MD school. And if for those of you who don’t know a DOE or a doctor of osteopathy is a little more, what
we call holistic or homeopathic, it’s treating the whole body system as opposed to just treating
symptoms and in, in the allopathic world. And even, even sometimes in the osteopathic world, but more
in the allopathic world, we run into treating symptomatology just because it’s there and not figuring out
root sources or how things are connected.

Lori Gerber D.O. (04:31):
Um, and I didn’t know at the time that I would be doing wellness and functional medicine, but I thought
it made more sense to be able to treat the whole body and to work with things that might be
interconnected. And I actually liked the idea of learning, um, manipulation, which is essentially using
your hands, um, in a way to chiropractically essentially adjust people and, and fix problems that way. And
I don’t think I ever had the hands for it if you will, but I loved it. And it made sense to me. So that’s how I
ended up at Philadelphia college of osteopathic medicine pecan. And as I’m going through rotations, you
know, you’re, you’re studying and you’re trying to figure out all these things. I initially, I loved the heart
and I thought I wanted to be a pediatric cardiac surgeon. So I put a lot of my time and efforts into finding
rotations that were surgery based.

Lori Gerber D.O. (05:30):
Um, I wanted to be, you know, fixed little babies, just like fixing a puppy to me. So that’s the route that I
started to take. And shortly thereafter, I realized going through rotations and, and understanding lifestyle
and, and what would happen down the line after I pick this rotation or residency, I realized that
cardiothoracic surgery was not for me. Um, there was one that I will never forget that it was probably
the only time I almost passed out in the, or, and I went to, I was doing a surgery. Um, I’m not going to
mention the surgeon’s name, but when I was in the, or I, there was, he asked the resident to come
underneath his arm essentially and hold the heart backwards so that he could sow a vessel. Of course,
he’s holding, I’m holding the heart, I’m underneath his arm and they start to cool the room down.

Lori Gerber D.O. (06:27):
You cool the room down. He does his thing. I’m a little bent over hunched over, still trying to hold this
hardest, as steady as I can. And then they rewarm the room while I’m still holding this heart. And with
the temperature, change my head bent over my feet, not being able to move. And in an awkward
position, I literally saw stars. And all I could think was if I dropped this heart or fall over that this kid’s
going to die. And I think at that moment, I realized, and I don’t get squeamish with blood. It’s not, it was
really just about the temperature, change the situation. And I was like, there’s no way I can do this for
the rest of my life. So that was off the list. Um, so next up was dermatology. And to me it became a
natural fit. It was something that I could identify with.

Lori Gerber D.O. (07:19):
It was very textural colors. Um, it was always figuring out, you know, if something was bubbled or
blistered or red or scaly. And to me, the art part of that really fit with, with what I already knew. So that
was a natural fit for me. And, um, I try to get through as many rotations as I could to see if that’s really
what I wanted to do. So I actually coming out of, um, med school was trying to get a dermatology
residency. And for those of you out there that know anything about the match or rotations or residency,
it’s a really crazy situation. You put your name in a list and they have to pick you and you have to pick
them. And that is called a match. And if you match your match, if you don’t match, you scramble. And
despite spending a lot of time at these hospitals and trying to get rotations, um, I did get wrote matched
at a hospital that had a dermatology program at the time, which was called, uh, Aria back.

Lori Gerber D.O. (08:28):
Actually, it was Frankfurt when I started and then it turned into Aria and now it’s, uh, Jefferson and they
lost the Durham program. The year I was doing my right after I did my internship year. So I was in an
internship year at a hospital that I thought I would have a dermatology spot that didn’t materialize. So
again, for parents out there that think that, uh, there’s still not sure where their kids are going. Um, I
think that I’m probably proof that, you know, if you re, if you’re resilient and you keep trying, you’re
going to figure it out for somehow. It just falls in place. So, I tried to get a dermatology spot other places
for a couple of years, and that didn’t happen. So I ended up finishing a residency in family practice in my
residency director, who is quite amazing. And, uh, I will give him a shout out.

Lori Gerber D.O. (09:20):
Uh, Dr. Rob Danoff actually created a program for me that, um, in the DEO world, you can create a
sub-specialty in your residency program. So we put the curriculum together and got a family practice
with an emphasis in dermatology. So that’s how I ended up where I am today. Um, as a family
practitioner who came out originally practicing and family practice, which we’ll talk about, and then I
have an emphasis in dermatology. So when I came out, I thought I would just do dermatology on the
side, do family practice and be happy. I have a little bit of both. Well, uh, in reality, that’s not the way the
world, the world works. It doesn’t really end up the way you think it is going to. And I got really bogged
down with family practice, and that’s really where I think a lot of what I do is very special.

Lori Gerber D.O. (10:16):
Um, family practice unfortunately, has become a process of 15 minute or 10 minute intervals with one
patient complaint. And the insurance company only reimburses you based upon how your patients
perform, meaning what their lab values are. And if you follow protocols, essentially. So I did that for a
year and a half and did Botox and fillers and cosmetic dermatology at night. And that just wasn’t for me. I
had, uh, I had realized that in all honesty, the, the family practice was not fulfilling what I needed and I
wasn’t seeing my patients get better. And that’s frustrating when you have a little, a different ideal or a
different approach. I couldn’t sit and listen to my patients. I couldn’t, I cared about my patients too
much. Um, I distinctly remember going home one evening worried about a patient that was supposed to
show up for an appointment.

Lori Gerber D.O. (11:17):
Um, she was in an abusive relationship and we were bringing in help. And when she didn’t show up that
night, I could not stop thinking about something happening to her. And I think at that moment, I realized
actually that was one of the two moments that I realized that family practice probably in the way in the
way I was doing it was not for me. Um, the second thing that happened was I had a younger gentleman
in his thirties who had severe back pain. And, you know, I’m in a practice that is an existing practice with
some older docs and was on pain medicine for quite some time. And he needed a new MRI, which I
requested from him. And I had suggested that maybe we get some interventional therapy and he see a
neurologist. He ended up getting surgery and they actually gave him what’s called a dropped foot, which
means, you know, his foot no longer, he cannot really pick it up when he walks it slaps on the ground.

Lori Gerber D.O. (12:19):
And that’s when I realized that, um, again, I was trying to do the right thing. I was trying to get him off of
pain medication and give him a more functional life. And the surgery was, was not successful. And I
realized that this is just not something I w I didn’t want to keep on the path that this was bringing me.
Um, I just kept worrying about patients as they would walk in the door. So fast forward to now, um, after
I left family practice, I started a business called refresh, and I’m sure it got a bunch of, you know, refresh.
It’s been refresh, uh, wellness, weight loss in cosmetics, and it’s been refreshed now, it’s refresh
integrative medicine and aesthetics and a refresh. It was my way to bring cosmetics, weight, loss, and
wellness in one place. It was, it was a holistic approach to do everything I needed to do, but I didn’t really
know where I was going to get my wellness program from.

Lori Gerber D.O. (13:16):
I knew how to do weight loss from working some moonlighting during residency, but I didn’t know how
to do a wellness program. And I really didn’t want to do a traditional family practice program. So, you
know, I went to do a, um, a convention for credits for CMS, which is continuing medical education credits
and in Las Vegas. And it was called the a four M and that day that I went to that conference, it’s the
anti-aging and regenerative medicine conference. The day I went there really changed my life. So, um, I
will never forget the first, uh, day that I sat through. And that day, um, the topics were gut immune and
brain. Um, and the first lecture was on gut dysfunction. And I distinctly remember sitting there and, and
just scratching my head because I literally had reflux or heartburn. And I remember from a childhood as
a kid, walking out the door to go to the bus, stop, having heartburn almost every day.

Lori Gerber D.O. (14:17):
I thought it was normal. You know what kid doesn’t have heartburn, you know, you eat something. And
they were talking about the connection between the gut and the immune system and the brain and how
that they’re all linked. And I just, I just remember walking out of there going man, that’s way more than I
know. Cause I don’t didn’t know any of it. And I picked up the phone and called my boyfriend and said, I
can’t believe that this isn’t taught in med school. Like, this is crazy. Why does no one know this
information? And that day I signed up for their fellowship program. Um, I went over to their education
desk and said, I need to learn more about this. And I signed up for their, um, program, which I, it was
three years approximately that it took me, but it was a bunch of modules.

Lori Gerber D.O. (15:04):
And it taught me everything that I needed to know, at least at that point about nontraditional medicine
and integrative medicine that I like to call wellness. Cause I just think it’s easier. And, um, how to apply it
in your practice, which I think is, is key because a lot of physicians just aren’t business people. Um, I think
my dad, my dad did raise me in business. I worked for him for a long time and I have some I can do. I
have some business acumen. I can understand business, not great with numbers, but I can understand
how to build a business where implementation for a lot of physicians is tough. So, um, if there’s any
physicians out there that are trying to implement these, these, um, topics, what I did in my practice that
I had existing was I literally picked one topic at a time and brought it in until I felt that I had mastered it
for a couple months and then would bring in the next topic.

Lori Gerber D.O. (15:58):
And over time I just created what I call my pyramid, my pyramid program. So, um, but it all stems back to
me having heartburn every day of my life. And then realizing once I understood this stuff that I had leaky
gut and my gut was so messed up, um, that I had heartburn my whole life. And it turns out I’m allergic to
kicks, so I can’t eat gluten or wheat. So when I would eat kick cereal in the morning with banana and
orange juice thinking, it was maybe the fresh squeezed orange juice, it was really the cereal. So, you
know, I can identify with many of my patients because guess what? I can’t do gluten. I can’t do we for
years. I thought it was just gluten, but it’s most. And then I can’t do anything with, um, Baker’s East. So
forget any bread of any kind or anything that rises because I have heartburn within 15 minutes.

Lori Gerber D.O. (16:56):
So that’s how I ended up here. And I think it’s really important to understand that this isn’t taught in med
school. This is something that, um, most physicians really don’t understand. And I wish they did. I
remember distinctly sitting with one of my patients that brought me containers of bio identical
hormones. Ooh, scary stuff. And I looked at her and I was like, I don’t know what this is. And she wanted
me to refill it. I was probably not even a year out of residency. And I was like, I don’t know how to refill
this thing. You’re going to have to go back to a different doctor. And I think that looking back on that, I
think that’s insane that I actually said, Hey, I don’t know what these are. Instead of looking it up, maybe
saying, let me get back to you. I really just poo-pooed it and said, yeah, I don’t really know what to do
with this.

Lori Gerber D.O. (17:44):
And so many doctors do that because they just know and doctors are, and someone, I don’t remember
who told me this, but doctors are like, Caterpillar’s they just follow the little fuzzy line in front of them
and that, cause Caterpillar’s just follow each other around. And that’s how I feel. Medicine is, um, it’s so
outdated. We don’t get the newest information in med school or boards. Um, so why, why is no one
thinking outside the box, they just follow the person in front of them that told them, Hey, this is what it
is instead of questioning and looking outside the box and trying to figure out what’s different, um, or, or
some new technique, you know, how can I help somebody that might not some, someone might not
have thought of? Um, so I think that when we, when someone comes to me, the biggest thing that I like
to put out there is, listen, you may get some pushback from other physicians.

Lori Gerber D.O. (18:41):
Um, I joke around, I call myself the voodoo doctor of the area. Um, but I do consider myself a pretty, I’m
a pretty rational person. Um, I like data just like every other physician for the most part. And I think it’s
really important to be educated and learn and read about what you’re taking and what you’re saying.
Um, so let’s talk about a little bit about, um, what I call my pyramid thinking. And my pyramid thinking
goes back to what I told you about my reflux and when I was a kid, the gut immune brain connection. So
my reflux is a kid gave me this stomach that really did not work. It was, I never had digestive issues, but I
had heartburn all the time. And when I finished residency, I developed autoimmune thyroid disease.
That auto immune thyroid disease was managed at the time with the physician by with Synthroid.

Lori Gerber D.O. (19:39):
And I never felt better, never got rid of my fatigue or anything fast forward to when I had my son. Um,
my son is now 11, so 11 years ago, which, and I had my son, my last year of residency. I developed an
allergy to every thin skin fruit imaginable. So I had heartburn. I was tired from autoimmune thyroid
disease and Synthroid that wasn’t working. And then I developed all these new food sensitivities, literally
apples, peaches, pears, mangoes, um, you name it. And I even had cross-reactivity with almonds and
some other nuts, um, Kiwis. I literally could not eat anything without feeling like my lips were tingly, itchy
and little hard bubbles. Like it was awful. And I went looking for answers and just like most of you that
are out there searching for your own, being your own advocate, I couldn’t find any answers.

Lori Gerber D.O. (20:39):
Um, I’m a physician I had just finished residency. I’m going out to work in the real world family practice,
and I could not find an answer. Um, and that’s, I found the AFRM, which is the anti-aging and
regenerative medicine Institute. So, um, you know, the gut immune brain connection and we’ll get to
brain in a minute is real. It is, you can’t treat one without the other. And what I find is people don’t know
they have leaky gut, um, cause they don’t associate leaky gut as a medical condition or they don’t even
know about it. So when we, when we let that go for prolonged periods of time, it can affect your brain. It
can affect every part of your nervous system. So you can get brain fog, you can get insomnia. Um, you
can have, um, restless thoughts, anxiety. So when people change their diets, you do hear often that they
feel better in a lot of different ways.

Lori Gerber D.O. (21:32):
And next week, I’m going to talk about using fat as a fuel source for your body instead of carbohydrates
or sugar. And I think that’s really important, especially if someone has leaky gut and leaky gut is literally,
and I got a lot of questions on this. Our first week, leaky gut is not leaking. It’s just the, the lining of the
gut is one cell thick. So just think about one tiny little cell. And if it gets irritated or scratched or stretched
out, there is now big gaps between those cells and when there’s gaps, there’s holes, those holes just let
your body. And this is the easiest way I can think about it. See things as foreign that they ordinarily
wouldn’t. For example, my mango, I eat a mango every day. It doesn’t bother me. I get pregnant. My
immune system changes cause I just went through pregnancy and that’s what happens.

Lori Gerber D.O. (22:24):
You get this like kind of like the shock to your system. And now all of a sudden, my leaky gut that had
been able to take care of it for all these years, my immune system’s turned on because the gut is the
biggest lymphatic system in the, in the body it’s called the Galt malt system and your body starts to make
all these antibodies to random things. So including my thyroid. So auto immune thyroid disease caused
by my gut, which was leaky. Okay. So that kind of explains, I got a lot of questions that on the first day, so
I wanted to make sure that that was clarified. Um, the, the brain connection takes a long time and in all
honesty, sometimes it doesn’t happen until the hormones start to change later in life. Um, so that is
something that I think is really important.

Lori Gerber D.O. (23:11):
And I’m noticing right now in my life, I, um, you know, when hormones start to change and testosterone
and progesterone go down in your thirties and forties, honestly, before you hit menopause, you find that
there’s different things that happen. Um, you might not sleep as well. Your brain gets a little foggy.
Anxiety is a huge one. People feel like their brain is super restless or their moody is heck I get more
emails about wanting to kill their husband for 20 of 25 years than, than anything, um, from women, not
from the husbands, but I do find that that’s a big issue in late forties, mid-forties, when the progesterone
starts to drop. And at that point, if your guts not in a good space and your health, isn’t optimized, it’s
really hard to just give someone hormones. If we can’t fix their leaky gut and the lining of their basically
their blood-brain barrier, their whole lining.

Lori Gerber D.O. (24:05):
It’s one lining from, I, I love this expression and Pete, this is for you, it’s from your brain to your butt. It’s
one lining one cell thick. So just so you guys understand how that triangle or pyramid, um, works. And I
think, you know, I want to bring this back to before we bring Suzanne in, um, to the consequences of this
long-term and I think it’s really relevant now for COVID and, um, COVID is affecting people and we don’t
know why or how right. People that are perfectly, we think perfectly healthy. And what I have been doing
with people for post COVID syndrome is finding that they really have a leaky gut or their immune system
has been, they’ve been auto-immune for years and maybe no one treated it, or they have, um, thyroid
disease. So their body or their even their hormones are declining.

Lori Gerber D.O. (24:55):
There’s things that make your body do certain inflammatory processes that are pre-existing that you just
don’t know are there because you might not feel them, but when COVID hits, it’s a chronic inflammatory
process. And that process just takes over. And once it turns on that light switch, if your light switch was
already short-circuited half turned on, um, then turning that off is very difficult. So I want to talk about
that a little bit with Suzanne when we come back from break, because it’s, it’s important to understand
that we can have these disease processes without realizing it’s there, um, and getting your body healthy
and getting rid of post COVID syndrome. Sometimes isn’t just that simple it’s healing. The gut it’s
shutting down the auto immune system. It’s looking for other bugs. Co-infections really, really common,
um, in my post COVID our long holler syndrome that they didn’t even know they had.

Lori Gerber D.O. (25:52):
So, um, we are treating long haulers at this point and post COVID syndrome. Um, you guys can go to my
website. It’s my Dr. Um, we do have a huge number of people coming in right now. So just
bear with me to getting back to you, but you can go on there, fill out our intake and I’ll be able to get
back to you about the program because it does take time. And it does take several years to, or several,
sorry, several years, several months to get you better, but we can definitely make strides. So I think it’s
important to know that you can get the supplements on my website as well. You don’t have to do one of
my programs. So if you have in reading and you have some knowledge base and you want to try to do
some of the cellular detox is, um, or even just start yourself on something as simple as silver, it is very
easy to do.

Lori Gerber D.O. (26:41):
Um, there’s very little little to that, and I highly encourage people to do it because I really feel like no one
in traditional medicine is talking about that. So, um, when Suzanne comes on, she is going to talk about
her, um, struggle with COVID and how it basically left her for weeks incapacitated. And for those weeks
she was in a, in a state of really, she couldn’t even call me to be honest. Um, and I, I was like, why, why
couldn’t you just call me it’s to make you better? And it just, it just didn’t happen. So we’re going to talk
about what we put her on, how she got better. We’re also going to talk about her cosmetic parties.
Cause I think that’s really important to understand and know where you’re going. Um, if you bring me in
and, um, I also want to go over, I’m looking at a couple of questions here that people are actually asking
me. I’ll go over some of your questions after the break. So, um, let me know when you guys are coming
back, hopefully you stay tuned and we’ll bring Suzanne Simon on shortly and then we’ll go from there

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Lori Gerber D.O.(30:33):
Hi guys. Welcome back. And, uh, I promise to not use my voice as much on this second half hour. I’m
proud to welcome Suzanne Simon. Hi, Suzanne. Um, for those of you who might’ve missed the intro in
the beginning, Suzanne is a long time patient, she and a friend. Um, she has been a patient. Am I right?
Eight or nine years? Yeah. Okay. Probably nine. Yeah. Nine years. So nine years. Um, she’s been putting
up with me and I’ve been putting up with her and hopefully making her better. Um, so she started out as
a cosmetic patient and, um, has morphed into a cosmetic hostess of parties and recently had COVID. So,
um, I think that’s where we’ll start. Um, I just kind of finished up talking about my, what I call gut
immune brain triangle. And I think that that really plays a huge role in how patients fare with, um,

Lori Gerber D.O.(31:28):
And so on that note, I’m going to, I’m going to let you just talk Suzanne. So tell us about COVID. I know it
was recent, so yeah, so it’s a little over a month ago now that I, um, got my positive test. So, um, and
both my rapid and my PCR tests were positive, which is a thing that everyone’s always like, I don’t know
if that rabbit test is even legit, but it’s legit, I guess. So, um, you have symptoms when you got the rapid?
Well, my symptoms started really like, um, like nothing I just was, I just was weary of them because of
everything that’s on the news. And, um, and so it was like a little scratchy throat and then all of a
sudden, um, I started getting a little bit of a cough and then the cough sort of disappeared. And then I
got a low grade fever and then the cough started coming on hardcore.

Suzanne Simon(32:26):
And then that was all on like Sunday to Monday. And then by Wednesday, um, Wednesday night I was a
hundred 0.7 fever and I felt like crap, you know, like I really, I could, I knew it was like, my test is going to
be positive. My test was then Thursday. And that’s when I knew for sure Rapids, that was, I took both
tests that day. And then my rapid came back positive and the, um, you know, at the urgent care where I
had that test, the woman was like, you are really going to be in trouble. I was like, okay. So, um,

Lori Gerber D.O. (33:07):
Are very high accuracy. If you have symptoms, if you don’t have symptoms, they’re not, they’re not,
they’re about 15%, um, false negative rates.

Suzanne Simon(33:16):
Right? Well, she came back, my son was negative when he got tested, but I was positive at that point. So,
um, so then I thought, you know, I’m in good shape. It’ll be fine. I’ll just, it’ll be like a flu. I can handle this
thing. You know, whatever knocked me on my back for a solid, um, three weeks to the point where I
couldn’t even call you to ask for help. I know I was trying to text you and I was texting the wrong number.
And, um, because I knew that you would know what to do, but I just couldn’t function. And, you know, I
was the only thing I was doing was like setting my alarm to get up, to give, um, my son, his meds, or like
to feed him. And my daughter was locked in her own part, you know, in her room. And I was like, don’t
come out, basically say, come out only when we’re not there. So, um,

Lori Gerber D.O. (34:08):
Symptoms that knocked you on your butt, what were the, um,

Suzanne Simon(34:11):
So the body aches were really legit, like full on hardcore, like in my spine was my whole back and my
hips. Um, I didn’t have a headache, but the brain, Oh my God, Lord brain fog. I was like, if this is what I’m
going to be like for the rest of my life, then shoot me because I really didn’t. I, I that’s the worst part of it
for me was the brain fog and exhaustion. Um, my cough was horrible. I couldn’t move without a cough.
Um, and it like to the point where I would talk to somebody on the phone and they were like nervous. So
I’d be getting people calling me all day long, just because they’re like, are you okay? Whatever my, I had
an oxygen thing reading my, um, you know, my vitals. So I knew, um, I was breathing. Okay. It had
dropped down only to like 92, a couple of times, but, um, but essentially I was breathing. Okay. And I
knew that that was okay. So

Lori Gerber D.O. (35:11):
Tell everybody what you told me at the break, you know, with the, so the brain fog. Um, it’s really
interesting. I, you know, Suzanne is very active, she plays tennis. How many days a week? Yeah,

Suzanne Simon(35:19):
I mean, yeah, like pretty much five days a week, a very, very active, like, you know,

Lori Gerber D.O. (35:25):
Healthy, I mean, within reason of eating, but she’s a very healthy eater. So when she said at the break, I
thought was really interesting and I think it’s very relevant. And go ahead. You can, you can say it. I was
saying now after listening to,

Suzanne Simon(35:38):
Um, Listening to Dr. Lori earlier, I probably have a gut issue because the brain fog that I experienced was
so bad and now it’s like, so all of the things that you’ve given me has, has really cleared up my brain fog
from even before COVID. So, you know, I was suffering because I’m 53, you know, I’ve, I’ve gone through
menopause, so I do have brain fog. Um, but, but it’s, it’s like, I can only assimilate it to like looking
through smudgy glasses all the time. But when you have, when you have it, um, with COVID, it gets to a
point where like, you’re, you’re trying to find the right words and you can’t even, you know, they were
asking me questions. They were doctors were calling me every day from urgent care or from the state.
Um, because I, I said, I’d participate in, um, whatever they, you know, information sessions for the state.

Suzanne Simon(36:35):
And so, um, but I couldn’t find the words that I was looking to S to say, and that was, it was really, it was
frightening, you know, but now I’m thinking like, because I have other issues going on that I’m just
thinking, Oh, it’s menopause or whatever, but I bet you. We discover once we start digging in that, I’ve
got some sort of gut issues that I’ve never known about until now, you know, and, and the brain. And
there was also this other feeling of like, um, it’s almost like you can feel the swelling on your brain. So it’s
like a vibration that I was feeling like I would lie down and just shut my eyes. And you could feel like the
whole head. And then throughout the body, almost like a throbbing, like pulsating vibration thing, I’ve
even, I even had bed spins from it. Um, and I was nauseous. I mean, I had every symptom except for the
headaches, headaches started now after, you know, post COVID, I guess. Um, so now I’m having
headaches daily and as is my son because he eventually got it. Um, from me, I think

Lori Gerber D.O. (37:47):
Let’s, let’s talk a little bit about what we did. So you, um, initially nobody gave you anything, right? You
weren’t on anything,

Suzanne Simon(37:56):
The beautiful socks

Lori Gerber D.O. (37:56):
On your finger and pray that it doesn’t go below 91%, 90% for prolonged periods of time. Right. So I
think, um, you know, w what’s really missed a lot with COVID and I was doing this, gosh, I mean, I was
testing since April, but I would say that the large groups of people I was treating were probably from late,
early October or late October through February, was that there’s a lot of data to show, to suggest that
the quicker you shut down the inflammation, the better off people do. Right? Because we know that this
is a light switch of inflammation, and it’s just a chronic effect, which is why ventilators didn’t work. Right.
Um, when you put someone at an event, they get everything’s done for them, they can breathe and they
can keep their vital organs alive. But the problem is, is all the inflammation around it shuts everything
down. So really you’re just artificially inflating their lungs for them. And they’re so junked up with
inflammation that at some point, your they’re not going to be able to air it. So you, I remember texting
me and I vividly, remember you saying this. He was like, you said something to the effect was, I don’t
want to die from this, or I, you know, I’m going to, I’m going to, don’t be though, don’t let me be dead
from this something.

Suzanne Simon(39:05):
Yeah. Right. From the flu. I was like, I have bigger plans to go out in a better way than the flu.

Lori Gerber D.O. (39:14):
Listen, we all have bigger plans today,

Suzanne Simon(39:17):
I suppose. But

Lori Gerber D.O. (39:19):
I remember you saying this I’m like, wait, are you that bad? Like I remember thinking, and I’ve known you
for a long time. Like, are you that bad?

Suzanne Simon(39:24):
I’m not a complainer or a worse typically. So it was bad. So the first thing we did was what, silver, silver,
and, um, what’s the one. Yes. Which I didn’t have any, um, tastes to that at that point. So, um, that was
not, not too bad, not too bad. It doesn’t taste the baskets taste. Great. Now it’s very, just, it’s super,
super sweet. But, um, but the silvers, that combination, I feel like, and the cellular there’s a, um,

Lori Gerber D.O. (39:56):
Celluclear, Celluclear is my glutathione, um, cellular detoxification supplement. So it might be behind me.
I can’t tell. But, um, you know, you can do that on your own. Actually, there are three really easy things
to use. Um, that silver is actually great for lime bright for bugs, great for infection, but it also is a great
anti-inflammatory. Um, in my first podcast, we talked a lot about silver. He was one of the educators for
sovereign or Santander, Santander, sovereign, silver, and Argentine silver. And they, um, it’s a very small
particle size, silver it’s wonderful people were nebulizing it and for, for lungs, which I think super
innovative and cool. Um,

Suzanne Simon(40:40):
I feel like that’s helped as soon as I started taking everything that you gave me, because you also gave me
the things to, um, because my lungs were bad and I was developing pneumonia. Um, gave me the, um,
what was it?

Lori Gerber D.O. (40:57):
We ended up doing prednisone. And is it through Azithromycin?

Suzanne Simon(41:00):
Yep. Z-Pak yeah.

Lori Gerber D.O. (41:03):
And the reasoning behind that is she was so far past, you know, had we caught this earlier at our first
diagnosis. Um, we would’ve been able to shut this down a little bit more quickly, but you were so far past
it, you were definitely in the pneumonia stages. Um, and you needed the antibiotics and steroids.
However, there’s a lot of data and I was doing quite a bunch of this, um, that right when you’re
diagnosed to do, especially if you’ve a cough or any kind of shortness of breath or a loss of taste or smell
to do, um, is it through Mycenae and prednisone initially? Um, do a short course, and it actually has
shortened the course of people’s infection, as well as, um, their taste and smell comes back quicker. And
people don’t understand why it comes back so quickly and like why prednisone would work or it’s not,
you know, why an antibiotic works.

Lori Gerber D.O. (41:52):
And then the, what you think about is this it’s really the anti-inflammatory effect of the antibiotic early
on. Just like we do for acne. It’s not really to kill any well, sometimes it’s to kill a bug, but nine times out
of 10, it’s not, it’s a really low dose antibiotic because it’s an anti-inflammatory at that dosing. So we are
seeing really good data on that. So I think, um, you know, we need to, as doctors in general, when people
call us about these things, we really need to start thinking outside the box and that’s, you know, and
reading. Cause I mean, I didn’t make that up

Suzanne Simon(42:26):
Well, cause they never tell, told me anything except drink liquids and stay away from everybody and
drink liquids. Yeah.

Lori Gerber D.O. (42:36):
That’s what they told my boyfriend, go, go get some cold medicine

Suzanne Simon(42:40):
Hydrated. Yeah. They told me to do that, to take NyQuil or something and stay hydrated.

Lori Gerber D.O. (42:45):
So how long do you think it took after we got you on your, um, medicine to feel better?

Suzanne Simon(42:51):
A couple of days, it was like within three days of what you gave me. Uh, and by a week later I was back at
Pilates and, um, you know, able to get through, you know, I’m still exhausted. That’s the one thing that
like at three o’clock every day, which, you know, never used to happen to me, I like fall asleep and I
noticed my son is doing the same thing. He’s coming up and falling asleep.

Lori Gerber D.O. (43:20):
That’s a really good point. Um, cause that’s something that I’m actually looking into right now that it’s,
um, probably cortisol related. So, you know, cortisol is a stress response hormone. So when we get sick,
it’s meant to spike. If it doesn’t spike, you’re in trouble. Like when we test patients in the ICU, they don’t
spike. Cortisol is not a good sign, right. Cause they’re not making, they’re not getting an immune
response or that can a good cortisol stress response. I think what’s happening. And I’d be curious to do
some saliva testing on people moving forward is that you’re getting this adrenal fatigue, which is these
cortisol lows earlier in the afternoon. Um, so your cortisols are like are shot and that takes months to fix.

Suzanne Simon(44:02):
That’s what the doctor said to me here, the infectious disease guy, um, that I eventually got to see just,
well, just after you actually. And I told him everything that I was taking and he was like, Oh, well, that’s
great. And um, then I did my lung. Um x-ray and he couldn’t believe how my lungs had cleared up so
quickly. Um, so he was like, what did you, what? And then he wanted to know everything. And so I took a
photograph of everything that you had me to, you know, to take. And he was really impressed and, um,
couldn’t believe it. And, but I’ll have to say, I have to say like I was dead on my back. And then after
taking everything you gave to me, I had the energy back. It’s just that it doesn’t last and it did for a while,
but now I’m noticing it’s like, I’m done with all of the, you know,

Lori Gerber D.O. (44:56):
The prednisone. Yeah. So, yeah. So let’s, let’s talk about that. Cause we talked, we talked about maybe
having leaky gut, right. So let’s talk about kind of next steps. We know that, um, we’ve done some
hormone testing on Suzanne and I’ll on, I’ll try him in, on what goes on in menopause. You guys
understand we’ve done a couple of things over the last couple of days. I’ve got a lot of questions cause it
was very detailed. So I’m going to try to make it a little bit more simplistic. Um, but so let’s talk about
menopause, like what’s going on with you? What, how did your ma what was your menopause
experience and what’s your, you know, obviously we don’t know what your gut issues are yet, but

Suzanne Simon(45:30):
Right. So my whole thing is that, you know, like I’m super active. I don’t eat a terrible diet. Um, especially
now since you know, this whole COVID shenanigans, I actually thought like, okay, I haven’t eaten in three
weeks. Maybe I’ll drop a pound, but I did not. Um, so, so I feel like I’m probably, um, you know, my
metabolism has changed. Um, I definitely had all the sweats, you know, the hot flashes where I felt like
my car seat was on when it wasn’t, you know, the seat heater. And, um, I w my sleep was not what it
used to be. Um, some water retention, um, you know, all the usual things, but, you know, and I did, I
remember when I was really in it, I probably had some mood swings too. And I, I can remember like
flipping out on my kids. And then I was like, Oh my God, who am I? But, um, but that was short lived.
And, you know, like it was really fairly, not super difficult for me. And, you know, and then just stopped
having my period. And now it’s just like, I can’t exercise enough or not eat at all. And, you know, like still
not lose weight.

Lori Gerber D.O. (46:57):
So your biggest thing is like the metabolic shift, maybe some brain fog

Suzanne Simon(47:01):
And the brain fog. That’s the other thing that’s really been affecting me. And that’s since I guess,
menopause really, um, I do have legitimate brain fog and I noticed that that’s gotten better other than
towards the end of the day. It gets bad again, like I had a little bit coming back now, but it’s, you know,
it’s seven o’clock almost.

Lori Gerber D.O. (47:23):
Yeah. So let me, let me kind of break down for you guys. I actually just got a message that asked about,
um, like insomnia. So I’ll get to that in a second. Um, progesterone and estrogen, I always say are the
balancing act, right? So you have a Seesaw with two different ends and progesterone is the, I call it the
brain hormone. It’s the Island of feel happy, and I don’t want to be anxious and I just want to not kill
anybody and be super, super nice and like be able to sleep through the night and just be very stable. Um,
estrogen is probably the not stable hormone. It’s the, I want to make you bloated. I want to make you
weepy. I want to, um, that does have some good, some good stuff which I’ll talk about, but I just want to
make you kind of, I call it the blue, the Bush, the squishy mushy bloaty hormone.

Lori Gerber D.O. (48:09):
It’s the one that kind of makes you not makes you a girl to be honest, but also, um, it’s not really fun for
weight loss. So, um, and then there’s testosterone. So estrogen and progesterone balanced each other
out. So testosterone is kind of a lone horse. And, um, it’s probably a good analogy because it’s kind of
like the stallion hormone, right? So you, it’s your mojo hormone. It’s what makes you feel like you can get
up and kind of do what you want to do. It’s your libido hormone, it’s your orgasm hormone. It’s your, I
can put on muscle mass and lose weight hormone. So a lot of the time, the first hormone to go down
this testosterone. So when you, when I talk to patients, I’ve listened, what is the timeline of their weight
loss or weight gain rather? Um, if it’s early on before menopause may be after baby’s usually it’s
testosterone related, it can be progesterone, but usually it’s testosterone.

Lori Gerber D.O. (49:02):
And we can replace that really pretty easily, um, with either pellets or like little trophies, which are lost in
jurors, sometimes creams, not a huge cream fan with testosterone, but that’s a whole another story. And
then there’s estrogen and progesterone and they progesterone is the next hormone to go down. So
really estrogen is a late faller, if you will, progesterone goes down forties, maybe early fifties. Um, and
that women notice when their sleep starts to get off, then they can’t, then they’re getting the hot
flashes. Then they’re a night sweats, by the way, is testosterone. Progesterone is usually hot flashes. It’s
the mismatch of too much estrogen to too little progesterone. So, when we talk about that hormone,
um, everyone thinks estrogen it’s usually progesterone, and then there’s, um, the estrogen and that
takes about two years to three years after menopause to finally fall.

Lori Gerber D.O. (49:57):
So when estrogen is high and progesterone is low and it could take longer than that to cause there’s
three different types of estrogen, but that’s when it’s really hard to lose weight because that estrogen is
not a very help, not a very big help for your metabolism. And it kind of just puts the, I joke that that tire
in the middle of the belly fat it’s that hormone. So balancing Suzanne, um, is going to be a little bit
complicated cause she’s not super far into it. Um, and she does have some estrogen still, and not
everyone tolerates a really nice dose of progesterone, um, which is her. So there are other ways
supplements to get that to happen. Um, but I think the key for her is healing up her gut lining, getting
that healed up, making sure she’s on the right supplements. Her cells are all detox and pretty. And then
balancing out that progesterone and testosterone. Probably not estrogen yet. It’s usually a late guy, so

Suzanne Simon(50:56):
It’s been like, I’m thinking it’s now I’m like two to three years.

Lori Gerber D.O. (50:59):
Yeah. I was going to say, I think you’re right at the two to three year mark, right? Yeah. So, and on your
last set of labs, your estrogen, wasn’t all the way down anyway, um, that I do remember. So estrogen is
really only good for a couple things, skin, hair, vaginal lining, like it really is only good for a few things. So,
you know, to me, that’s one of those things that we have to look at and look at symptoms. So I’m getting
a four minute to close Mark. So I’m going to let Suzanne really quickly talk about her cosmetic parties
and how she hosts them and what we do.

Suzanne Simon(51:34):
These are the greatest thing ever. Um, is very popular here. Um, our parties get bigger and longer each
time. Um, she comes with her table and we set up like, usually I’ll set it up, I’ll make a schedule. So we
don’t have too many people gathered in one place at one time. And, um, we set up in her own space
and, you know, we sent out a flyer beforehand of all of her services and it gives, you know, a price range
and, um, that kind of thing, just basically telling what, what does. Meanwhile, people come thinking
they’re going to get one thing and they did everything. They didn’t even know existed type of thing. Like I
always just let Dr. Lori do whatever I do, whatever Dr. Larry suggests in other words, because you’re snow
like good because you don’t ever, I’ve never seen you do anyone too much. Nobody ever looks artificial.
Everybody looks very natural and like they’re aging gracefully, but you’re just making it happen.

Lori Gerber D.O. (52:46):
Hey, well, I think, you know, I think that’s the important thing to understand too, is that when you host a
party, if there’s really little expectation, um, I think our first party, we had a couple people, right. Um, it
just kind of blossoms from there and it’s a really comfortable environment and that’s why I started Dr.
Laura. That was the biggest question I got is why did I start a separate business from what I already have
in my office and people, especially with COVID like the fact that they can do small group it’s people that
they know, um, it’s around your friends, it’s around your family. Um, it’s not intimidating. Um, so, you
know, when you talk about intimidation, you know, sometimes it’s more intimidating to go into a
doctor’s office and be sitting there in the, by yourself. And like, you know, when you’re surrounded by
people that have like-minded ideas and maybe, and then you can feed off each other.

Lori Gerber D.O. (53:32):
Um, I just did a video where we talked about how guys don’t talk about their problems, nearly enough,
and women talk about them ad nauseum. Right? So I think that when you’re around your friends though,
it’s a lot easier to understand, like, what’s going to look good, what you, you know, what might not look
good. Um, but that the greatest part about the parties is we can do them in your state, in your town, um,
at your home, in your facility business. And they are a way for you to get some incentive to, for what you,
um, for your own product and merchandise. So like, if you want your own Botox, it’s, it’s a percentage of
what you bring in. Um, so not on like a pampered chef party or a, what are they the pocket, but parties.
Um, yeah, so, you know, to me, it’s a really good way for me to get to know all of you.

Lori Gerber D.O. (54:16):
Um, and on that note, I’m going to close. We have a minute. So I’m just going to close with saying that,
um, I’m here to listen to my patients and that is what I do best. And if you want to contact me, you can
reach out on my website, You can go to info at my doctor, and just email me. I’m
Suzanne story is so common. I hear it all the time and I would love to help everybody. So, um, you know,
I’m, I’m not your typical doctor. And I think that’s what makes me different. Um, so on that note, guys,
I’m going to roll out of here. So, and all the supplements are available on there as well. And
I’m going to give you three things to check out for COVID silver Biocidin, glutathione, which is
Cellulaclear. And if you’re really feeling ambitious, get my Building Blocks. Multivitamin. All right, guys,
have a great evening.