What you’ll find in that with the older, when I say older, I mean, the functional medicine docs who are certified and had been doing it for 15, 20, 25 years, is that we all had a similar story and how we got involved moving from conventional medicine to integrate over functional medicine. And my story is very, very similar.  I got sick.  

Dr. David Blyweiss
Adjunct faculty at the University of Miami – Miller School of Medicine
Medical Director of the University of Miami School of Medicine, Osher Center for Integrative Medicine Conferences

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Anti-Aging Unraveled with Dr. Lori Gerber. Post-Covid Syndrome. Chronic Inflammation Confusion Unraveled.

Announcer: Welcome to anti-aging unraveled with Dr. Lori Gerber. The body is one of the most complicated systems in the universe. Dr. Gerber and her guests explore integrative medicine and cosmetic dermatology, combining traditional medicine, alternative health practices, new innovations and technology, which work together to help you look and feel natural and age gracefully. Now here’s your host, Dr. Lori Gerber.

Dr. Lori Gerber: Good evening, everybody. It is six o’clock on the East coast, and I am coming to you live with our new radio show, Anti-Aging Unraveled. I’m Dr. Lori Gerber. And I do have with me and amazing physician in the functional medicine, integrative medicine field, Dr. David Blyweiss. He is the adjunct faculty at the University of Miami – Miller School of Medicine and medical director of the University of Miami School of Medicine, Osher center for integrative medicine conferences. He has been giving lectures all over the world on this topic. And I would love to share his wealth of knowledge and stories because they are wonderful with you all this evening. So, with a couple of technical difficulties, we do have him on the phone tonight. So without further ado, I will get him on and he will start to kind of give us his story of how he got to come to non-traditional medicine as I did. All right, Dr. David, Blyweiss, so you there?

Dr. Blyweiss: Dr. Gerber, I am here. And good luck on your show here. What you’ll find in that with the older, when I say older, I mean, the functional medicine docs who are certified and had been doing it for 15, 20, 25 years, is that we all had a similar story and how we got involved moving from conventional medicine to integrate over functional medicine. And my story is very, very similar. I got sick. My colleagues and friends that didn’t know what to do even with all the drugs they had. I was in the hospital and by the time I got out, I had chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia, and my colleagues and friends gave me all the best drugs. Dr. Gerber, I got Percocet, I got Xanax, I got the pack. So, and there I was 20 hours a day on the sofa for weeks and weeks bemoaning my situation. And my daughter came down the steps and said, daddy, are you a victim? Like other people you say are victims of medicine. I thought, you’re the guy. So that got me out. That got me off the sofa and into changing my diet and the lifestyle. Can’t change my genetics, but I can change how they react to my environment with food. And 12 weeks later, there was no medication in me and I was fine. I had no chronic fatigue or fibromyalgia. And that’s what started me on that pathway.

Dr. Lori Gerber: So how many years ago was that?

Dr. Blyweiss: Uh, that was 1999. So about, uh, 22 years ago.

Dr. Lori Gerber: Okay. Before I was thinking about medicine probably, but I had a similar experience. So that’s, that’s really how I got into this as well. I had my son and after I had my son, I experienced an allergy to every thin-skinned fruit and every food under the sun. To the point where I really couldn’t eat a normal meal and traditional medicine didn’t really tell me what to do. I was just finishing up residency and looking for answers and I couldn’t find anything. So that is what brought us to integrative medicine.

Dr. Blyweiss: That’s what, that’s what medicine can’t do, right? Conventional medicine can, uh, classically look for, uh, a way to hide your symptoms, um, but not actually get to the reason the cause of why you have what you have that we didn’t go upstream. You know, it’s, it’s the old analogy where you’re driving along and you have red lights going off when you’re, uh, uh, on the front screen of your car and it says oil, or it says, you know, check engine. And what you do is you cut the wires so that the lights don’t flash anymore. And therefore, your problem spot. Well, that’s what conventional medicine did. You know, we got rid of the symptom, but you still had the process seeding and brewing inside of you and it would only get worse.

Dr. Lori Gerber: So let’s talk about that. I mean, I think that gives us a really nice transition, um, you know, traditional medicine you’re right. It just teaches us how to treat a symptom and not a cause or a problem, um, or where the causality comes from, and it really doesn’t teach or address any of the interconnectedness of the human body. Um, so I love your stories about, you know, how medicine started, how we’ve lost the art of medicine. And I actually did write my first med school application essay on the art of medicine, which I do agree with you has been lost. Um, so if you could briefly tell, tell us some of your stories, you some great stories about, um, the roots of medicine and how we really ended up where we are.

Dr. Blyweiss: Yes. I mean, remember the pharmaceutical industry got started back in the mid 1800’s and people know about the Bayer Corporation and, and, and getting Bayer aspirin. And we use chinchona bark for quinine to, to stop the symptoms of malaria morphine and opium were huge. Heroin was huge. So, the world was going towards a pharmaceutical based treatment of symptomatology, and we still had the schools that were getting people better in a, I don’t want to say alternative because alternative was using, uh, an herb at the time, uh, instead of a drug. So, this was more integrated, was nutritional. If you had issues with your skin. And I remember doctors a hundred years ago, knew this had an issue with it.

Dr. Lori Gerber: We’re obviously talking pre antibiotics as well right?

Dr. Blyweiss: Pre antibiotics, right? Right. Things like silver, right. Silver being used for thousands of years. They didn’t know why it works. But if you were, if you were a, a commanding general King, you wouldn’t go into an extended battle without your water bottle, your water barrels being lined with silver, you know, that the settlers put silver coins in there and there their water barrels to keep the water pure. My grandmother did that in her milk to keep the pure, they didn’t know why it was only about a hundred years ago where the research began. And even though we’d been using silver for, for millennia, and it wasn’t until actually was 1942, um, March of 42 in world war II, when penicillin became, uh, available on the battlefield to fight septicemia. And from that point on, uh, silver got kicked out of the, the medical world, even though it didn’t have any of those side effects that an antibiotics do, right?
Antibiotics will napalm your intestinal microbiome, whereas silver, uh, the silvers today, the bioactive silver hydrosols will not affect the diversity of the microbiome. Go kill bad bacteria, some good bacteria, but things grow back.
And, um, so we started out with the schools that were teaching us homeopathy, nutrition, acupuncture, um, meditation, and come around 1910, uh, um, JV, Rockefeller, and Andrew Carnegie who had put initial monies into, uh, the, the nation to American, uh, pharmaceutical companies, um, had Abraham Flexner go around. It’s famous, was called the Flexner report, uh, to standardize, uh, medical education. And what that meant to them was they gave a million dollars, which, you know, 110 years ago, it was real money. Uh, if those medical schools would drop teaching nutrition and homeopathy and acupuncture meditation, and use these patented nostrums that they were the original, uh, founders of, and if you didn’t take the million dollars and join them, the hospitals that they were building and the universities they were building that would connect to the medical school, um, you wouldn’t be a part of it.
And those medical schools that said, this is crazy. You know, we’re, we’re not going to do this. They all closed. And the ones welcomed, uh, that money and hooked in with, uh, the hospitals and universities being built. They’re the ones that are still around today, but they dropped all those other teachings. You know, even today, I think it’s, um, 24, 20, 24% of medical schools gave a few hours of nutritional education, nothing that you and I would recognize as nutritional Medicaid, uh, education. But, um, they some of them do a little bit, but again, so ask your doctor about the, uh, nutrients and supplements. They have no idea. And classically what they’ll say is, you know what, I don’t know anything about that, but it can’t be, can’t be good for you even though properly prescribed medication is the number three cause of death in the country.

Dr. Lori Gerber: And that’s why the subtitle is what your doctor didn’t tell you. Um, because I do agree we were not trained in any of this prior to coming out of med school. Right? I mean, this was not something that was part of our curriculum at all.

Dr. Blyweiss: Right. And the problem with that is, is that medical, the, the half-life of medical knowledge is now something like three years. So, when I hear a doctor say, you know, if I didn’t learn this in medical school, then it’s not real. Well, excuse me, doc, but you graduated 30 years ago. So, you’re 10 half-lives down of the information. You should have to treat it. And you know, it it’s like I’ve gotten, I got off that, uh, that rat race many years ago, uh, not having to deal with the vagaries of insurance and the amount of time it took to pre-authorize somebody to get the medication that they needed, uh, only be told that it wasn’t covered and find something else, or, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s just awful. They’re not, we’re not physicians anymore. Right. We’re technicians. Um, we’re healthcare providers are not physicians, so, but you know how you feel about it.

Dr. Lori Gerber: Well, I do. And that is also when we talk about the electronic medical records and not having time for a patient, not being able to do a physical exam, not listening to what a patient has to say. Um, I do pride myself on listening to symptoms, which, you know, if you listen to someone long enough, they’re going to tell you what’s wrong with them.

Dr. Blyweiss: Remember, remember they told us that the first day in training, if you listen well enough and ask the right questions, the patient will tell you what’s wrong with them, but we don’t give that. What is the average time now, 18 seconds before the doctor interrupts the patient 18 seconds, as opposed to my taking a history for half an hour, right? Or an hour, we’re doing a physical for, for half an hour. Um, I had, uh, I had family practice, chief of family practice for major medical school on my exam table. We did the history of the physical. And when he, when he got off, when I got done, he, so we don’t, we don’t do this anymore. We don’t, we don’t train for this anymore. And now I found, what was it a month or two that, um, the, the national medical board is, um, saying you don’t have to train new physicians and clinical physical examination. You know, you have blood tests, you have scan, uh, 20 minutes, new patients move on to the next one, write a script and move on to the next one. So, yeah, it’s very scary.

Dr. Lori Gerber: It’s no longer medicine is as far as I’m concerned. Um, and I feel like that’s something our patients need to understand is that this is something that unfortunately, um, has been society has really pushed to the side, whether it’s monetarily speaking, you know, it’s all about numbers and what’s, and what’s good for the pocket book of the larger person, and it’s not always as best for the patient.

Dr. Blyweiss: Chronic medical records, uh, are for the insurance company. They’re not for the patient, right. So they know how much to pay you or what not to pay you. So you have to check off the dozens of boxes, um, or else you won’t get paid. None of that includes hands-on, uh, examination or, or listening with the, with, with a sympathetic or an empathetic ear to what a patient’s problems are. So again, when, when I, when I had the full up practice for functional medicine practice of it, I only saw maximum maybe two or three new patients a day because it was two hours. Right. It was, it was two hours. And if I didn’t hear at the front desk, when that patient left, that they had never had, uh, a physical exam, like they had with me, then I know I didn’t do my job. Right,

Dr. Lori Gerber: Exactly. Right. Well, let’s, let’s, let’s give the people, so what they want to hear, how about that there I’ve been having tons of conversations since COVID, um, about chronic inflammation. And, um, that is the topic of today’s, uh, show. And I do want to point out that we’re going to cater it a little bit towards COVID at the end. My patient did have to cancel last minute for this evening, but we will discuss a little bit of the COVID, um, I guess, implications with chronic inflammation. Um, but I think there’s, it’s important to realize, and for people to understand that chronic inflammation is, um, something that can be caused by a million different things. And I, the gut is one of the biggest, at least in my mind, um, things that can create chronic, chronic inflammation, you’ve just talked about how you changed your lifestyle and your eating habits, and really just got rid of your inflammation. Right? So, um, I think that’s, we can start by talking about what are the causes of chronic inflammation? What are the, you know, we want to start with gut primarily, but what are the other things that are out there that might make the body not work effectively? I always call it short. Cause I feel like that’s the best way to describe it. It’s just your body’s on overdrive going around and around in a circle.

Dr. Blyweiss: Well, depending on, depending on what we eat, I mean, there are foods that are inherently inflammatory. Uh, people talk about red meat. Well, it’s not all red meat. It’s red meat that is not grass fed and organic it’s red meat that has, uh, uh, herbicides, pesticides, antibiotics, and hormones in it. Did you know that the bovine growth hormone that they inject into cows is only one amino acid away from human growth hormone. So, you’re getting something that is so close, that if you get an outside exotic genus, a boost of human growth hormone long enough, consistent enough consistently enough, uh, you may grow cancers that were very tiny because now there’s a growth hormone. And they’re doing that as well as the inflammation from, uh, me that is not, uh, grass fed. Uh, so basically, you know, foods we eat, uh, grains are inherently, uh, inflammatory classically, uh, uh, wheat is sometimes, uh, maybe gluten and not gluten.

Dr. Blyweiss: And again, with, with gluten, you’re looking at, you know, barley and rye and wheat, primarily oats, not so much, uh, unless they’re stored in a facility where, where weed is being stored, but again, obesity, chronic obesity, most people carry around the seeds of their illness in their fat. You have a fat is inflammatory. That is a depository for estrogen. So, we know that you double your risk of breast cancer as a, as a woman, if you’re morbidly obese, or if you’re taking birth control pills for a, an extended period of time. I think it’s from 15 to like 35, um, alcohol, alcohol causes, gross inflammation, smoking causes gross inflammation and chronic ongoing stress. Do you think we have any of that this year, chronic ongoing stress. Those are the top, right? The top, the top contributing factors. But again, people should realize that, you know, tune inflammation is critical because that response will include the release of antibodies and proteins, um, uh, acute inflammation. Usually, it would last a few hours or, or days, uh, usually when you cross the line to chronic inflammation now, uh, you’re going to play into, uh, hazmat cancer, heart disease, neurodegenerative disease, um, because those are all, uh, secondary to those that, that, that level of chronic inflammation.

Dr. Lori Gerber: So, so how long do you think it takes to get leaky gut or a chronic inflammation in the gut? That’s I think that’s a good question. People say, well, how long do I have to eat healthy for this to get better? Or how long does it take to heal up?

Dr. Blyweiss: What a good question, what a good question. Do you know that it only takes five days for the intestinal online me to remake itself.

Dr. Lori Gerber: Only one cell thick. Right.

Dr. Blyweiss: Well, and, and if you change your diet, you’re going to change your gut microbiome, the good bacteria in there. And, uh, you can change everything within a week. You know, that remember that the intestinal epithelial lining is only oneself, right? And that with, uh, some other factors that are the mucus secreted from it, uh, that forms a barrier that separates us from our external environment, right? Our gut is inside of us, but it’s also outside of us. So in pathological conditions, the permeability they have to totally aligning can be compromised. And if you have little openings in it, now you’ve got toxins, antigens, bad bacteria, specifically the gram-negatives with their lipopolysaccharide, you know, major component of their outer membrane gets through to your body. And you have, and you’re sick. You know, we used to give a book, a polysaccharide to medical students to test, to see if they would get sick from it.

Dr. Blyweiss: And indeed they did. So, it wasn’t even the bacteria, Dr. Gerber, it was the coding of the gram-negative bacteria that was making people sick. And that, and the same inflammatory biomarkers that they showed were the same inflammatory biomarkers for people with major depressive disorder, the same sick, uh, symptoms, you know, uh, I’m not getting out of bed, turn the light off. I don’t want to eat, leave me alone. No, I don’t want to “connudle”. Right. And all these things, uh, occurred from chronic inflammation, whether it was due to a virus, a flu virus, or whether it was due to a lipopolysaccharide from a gram-negative bacteria that got through the lining of your gut. And so how do you, how do you do that? Well, gluten will cause that will cause the secretion of zonulin, which will open up that, uh, the barriers and allow awful things to get into your bloodstream.

Dr. Lori Gerber: That’s why we call it leaky gut, really. I mean, people ask me that all the time and it’s, it’s just the increase in intestinal permeability. It’s not truly leaky. It’s just, your body is seeing things as foreign that it ordinarily wouldn’t.

Dr. Blyweiss: Right. I mean, it sounds good. Um, if you want to be exactly correct, it’s an abnormal, uh, intestinal permeability going on. Right. And, um, right. So stress will cause a leaky gut. Gluten will cause leaky gut, uh, chronic other levels of chronic inflammation and causes will cause leaky gut. Um, and in people who have a genetic predisposition, a leaky gut will allow environmental factors, uh, uh, toxins and allergens can rid the body and trigger that initiation and development of a disease specifically in autoimmune disease. So, you know, it’s really important to your gut healthy and your lining healthy. And we know that gut microbiota supports the epithelial barrier in the mucus, right? So we’ve got, I think it’s three millimeters of mucus that, uh, are, are on top of the, uh, um, the entire site on the epithelial cell, the gut. And once you get through that, you’re, you’re getting into the body and you really shouldn’t be doing that.

Dr. Lori Gerber: So you, you hit almost all of my points from the next three paragraphs, by the way. But, um, no, it’s all good. We like it. You had a lot of information there and it was perfect. Um, so you talked about LPs and the importance, um, and how it basically creates this, um, inflammatory effect and auto immune effect and can create, uh, basically leaky gut. Right? So the question that I think a lot of my patients have, and that, um, I get asked all the time is one, how do I know if I have leaky gut? What tests can we do to see about leaky gut? That’s probably the first and foremost question that I get.

Dr. Blyweiss: What do you tell them?

Dr. Lori Gerber: Uh, so I tell them most of the time, what they’re telling me and their symptomatology will tell me if they have leaky gut, to be honest. Um, you know, I don’t need labs, probably what’s wrong. Exactly. Um, although I have seen some really great testing that I’ve done more recently, um, maybe it’s the geek in me that just loves the testing, um, that test for zonulin and expression of, um, antibodies to various, um, guide proteins that, so you can actually see if you’re fighting the lack of a better way to explain it fighting your own gut, right. So you can check for antibodies, various proteins. Um, yes, it’s probably a little bit geeky and yes, it’s definitely not covered by insurance. Um, but the positive predictive value of that is excellent. And you can actually quantify that when people change their diet, I’ve watched it very quickly. And I agree with you within about seven to 14 days, um, I’m able to see a massive shift, um, in antibody response, especially with zonulin and some of the other proteins. So I don’t know if you’ve done any of that yet, but yeah,

Dr. Blyweiss: Well, you have to be careful, um, once you know, what’s going on and you tell people there’s a, there’s going to be a change in their dietary lifestyle. Um, I don’t put people on diets because people go on diets and by definition they go off side, right? If you do it, yeah, you’re doing a dietary lifestyle. It’s, you know what, I don’t add extra sugar anywhere, which is inflammatory or, you know what I am gluten free. And I discovered all these other great gluten-free products, but I’m gluten free. And when I eat it, I sort of feel sick. Right. I don’t know if it’s gluten or gliadin, but if they stop wheat, uh, the they’re feeling better. Um, what about probiotics? People don’t know what they don’t know. You know, I say, well, you know, I’m probiotics go, Oh, I take a probiotic. It’s like, Oh, so what, what is it?

Dr. Blyweiss: I answer probiotic. Well, okay. My, my favorite probiotics are those that have the, the viable non-pathogenic microorganisms, right? As well as the prebiotics to feed them, uh, in the capsule, as well as the posts, the biotic, which is the products of metabolism of the prebiotics with the probiotics and what are prebiotics, basically plant-based food. And now they’re putting some of that into, uh, into the capsule. Those what I want people to take, and I’d like them to take it at bedtime. So I have, you know, hopefully a good seven or eight hours of reinoculate. And my personal favorite is, um, those probiotics stuff have Saccharomyces boulardii in it. The, the good yeast, because that could be, keeps the probiotics in the gut for about almost two weeks, because probiotics are not inherently yours. They’re there, they’re coming in. They’re going out. You want them there as long as they can.

Dr. Blyweiss: But if, if you’re getting people to change their microbiome by their diet, I tell them don’t be such a hero. Don’t go so fast. Don’t suddenly become 100% vegan because you’re going to fart a lot because that, that, that Seibel slash inside will fiber with the bacteria will generate metabolize. What it’s supposed to do, which is making gas. Is it methane? Isn’t hydrogen, it’s still gas, you know, it’s and the average person, um, toots 40 times a day, even though they may not know it. Um, obviously some people do that more, but you will start getting more gas production and people will stop their dietary lifestyle change because they have too much gas. So, I have them go slow. Um, interesting, uh, article came out, uh, because, you know, I have discussions with friends of mine who are in the functional medicine world about veganism versus red meat causing, uh, cardiovascular issues because, uh, MI causes trimethyl, uh, I mean, not today said it was from the gut and then through the liver, and then suddenly your, your coronary arteries doing bad because of the red you’re reading, uh, and how it affects the gut microbiome or what the gut microbiome is changing the meat.

Dr. Blyweiss: Well, as it turns out, if you are basically vegan for, uh, six solid days, two or three meals a day, and then on a Sunday, you have, you know, four ounces, six ounces of whatever, good grass fed, organic meat that you want to eat. Um, it doesn’t change your microbiome and the TMA TMAO level doesn’t elevate. So, people don’t have to say why goes back to moderation? Yeah. It goes back to moderation. Yeah. Moderation is for monks. And, um, you know, they live to be nine years old and they look like they’re 30.

Dr. Lori Gerber: All right. So until we address probiotics and I, and I, 100% agree with you Sarccharomyces boulardii and Saccharomyces Rhamnosus. I tell my patients all the time, look on the back of your bottle. If you don’t know the, I always say bugs, but if you don’t know the bugs that are in there, then don’t, don’t tell me that you’re on a probiotic. So, um, you know, we want to, you want to be on something. Um, you know what I do, I love, I love, um, ortho biotic by Orthomolecular. Um, it is one of my favorites.

Dr. Blyweiss: Hi. So do I mix bacteria? Good amount. Saccharomyces boulardi the two other ones I like is, um, pro prob Yulin, P R O V U L I N. And, uh, Dr. O’Hara’s now Dr. O’Hara is the, the prebiotic, um, probiotic and post biotic in it, but he also has a, the vegan capsule, but has been made to withstand stomach acid so that it will go into your intestine. And some of the others will be destroyed in the stomach, especially if people are taking with a meal and they’ve got gastric acid being secreted, but those are my top three ortho biotic, uh, probably Lynn and Dr. O’Hara, especially if you’re on an antibiotic. Yeah.
Dr. Blyweiss: Oh gosh, you should be taking two a day. Most likely. Um, let, let me ask you a question. So, you know, I have a million patients who come to me and say, well, you know, why hasn’t, you know, we already addressed the problem of why hasn’t my doctor told me about my gut being my primary source. But when you address a patient and they’re coming to you with inflammation, auto-immunity something maybe you think is chronic infectious, um, or exposure based. Do you ever try to treat them without treating their gut? And there’s probably a very simple answer to that question.

Dr. Blyweiss: Oh, no, never, no, you go with the gut, literally you go with that hallway. I mean, you’ve got two thirds, two thirds to three quarters of your immune system is in your gut, right? 90%, 90% of the serotonin that your brain uses comes from the in-utero chromaffin cells in the gut intestines. You tell that to people, you say, listen, you know, you need the right, the right, uh, uh, microbiome to make your B vitamins. You know, it, it also works. It has neurotransmitter receptors and it also makes neuro-transmitters certain bacteria. So it’s critical that you, uh, that you treat the gut. I got two emails today from two follow up patients, two consultations, uh, that within it was 10 days and said, I just feel so much better. And, and part of that is that they’re pooping good. You know, when, when I have people that say, well, I go, maybe, you know, every other day or every third day.

Dr. Blyweiss: And it’s like, well, let’s see if we can literally pardon the pun, move that along. And, um, the, my, my, my best patients to follow, uh, advice directly, they have what’s called gastrocolic reflexes. So, you know, first thing in the morning, they have a bowel movement, or within 20 minutes, if they’re eating breakfast, they’ll have a bowel movement and a half hour, an hour after lunch, they’ll have a bowel movement, the same thing after dinner, and gastrocolic reflex food in a waste material out. Um, but the longer you keep, uh, the waste material in your test and the more absorption you get of bacteria of potentially, uh, pathogenic microorganisms.

Dr. Lori Gerber: So what other, besides diet, obviously, and we talked about probiotics, what are some of your other go to, um, and I’m leading into, um, really some of your, your knowledge on silver. Um, honestly colloidal silver, my favorite products for probably the last 10 years

Dr. Blyweiss: For, for, for supplements that reduce inflammation, uh, uh, official oil, Apple podcasted curcumin, um, they’re all linked to decreases in inflammation, spices, ginger, garlic, cayenne, um, other foods that’ll, that’ll, uh, decrease inflammation, olive oil, you know, leafy greens, obviously organic cities, uh, tomato. Some people worry about the lectins, pull the skin off, then a fatty fish, right? Salmon sardines, the lower you are on the predatory chain of seafood. The better off you are one, because you’re going to get a good amount of fish oils. And two, you’re not going to get the level of mercury that’s in the higher, the higher predators, the tuna, the sharp, things like that. And, and again, uh, you know, cherries, blueberries things with a lot of things that increase inflammation, you know, white rice, um, white wheat, refined carbs fried foods, such as French fries still love French fries. But I do know that when you, when you fry that carbohydrate are most carbohydrates at a high temperature and oil, you’re going to make the acrylamide, which is carcinogenic, right. Uh, red meat. That’s not, uh, that’s not organic and then processed meat. So those things all cause inflammation, but silver, I mean, you know, you’re asking what’s, what’s, what’s exactly the question you’re asking about silver.

Dr. Lori Gerber: Uh, let’s just talk about silver and, and, um, well, let’s talk about silver for a minute. So let’s talk about the history of silver. You gave a little bit of the history of silver and, and talked about, um, silver being used as an anti-bacterial and, um, water. Um, I, you know, silver spoons and there’s, you know, tons of history with silver, um, born from a silver spoon, right.

Dr. Blyweiss: So that’s right. That’s right. And, and that’s funny because it was the, um, wealthy or the aristocracy in England who, um, had the money to put their water and wine and milk and food and silver containers. They drank from silver goblets, thee from silver place. And when the great Clegg, uh, hit London 1348, 1349, um, those people did not die, uh, anywhere near the level of everybody else that got the bubonic plague, uh, because they had lower doses of silver chronically circulating in them. Now, granted, it wasn’t the best silver. It was, you know, large particle silver that can cause you to become blue. Uh, nowadays the, the new bio-active silver hydrosol. And again, the only company that has it at that level is a natural immunogenic, right? With our Jensen and or sovereign silver for, or the pocket for a general population. Um, but it does so much more.

Dr. Blyweiss: I mean, it’s in the last two years, they found that silver, um, make the white blood cells mature and active, and, uh, they even throw out, uh, what’s called nets, neutrophil, extracellular traps to trap pathogenic bacteria outside of the cell. And so it’s, it’s, it’s just fascinating. And plus the, the, the silver hydrosol, those nanoparticles actually clean up the debris after the destruction of those bacteria or viruses. So it kills them and then actually clears them up. The silver will attack the cell membrane, uh, primarily grand negatives because they have a very thin peptidoglycan layer around them, which is why they don’t gram stain positive. The gram-positives gram stain positive and purple because they have a peptidoglycan layer that’s eight to 10 times thicker. So the silver is not going to get through that quickly. Um, once it gets through into grand negatives, then it’s going to attack the internal rival zones and proteins and bind them and the binds, the genetic material.

Dr. Blyweiss: So the bacteria, it doesn’t, uh, can’t reproduce, but because they poke holes in the cell membrane at some point, because of the internal pressure of the what’s in the bacteria, it explodes, it it’ll obliterates it disintegrates. And, you know, we w I saw a great video of that and the MTC that you go, you know what, I need to take my silver, right. I, I had a, uh, a 20 something year old patient. Um, she was living with her boyfriend. She was in healthcare care and he got diagnosed with COVID they’re in an 800 square foot apartment. And she says, so I, I was lost, but, you know, I didn’t get sick and we’re living together and we’re breathing the air. And, um, and I said, and what, and what do you ascribe that to? She goes, well, you know, I’m taking the cocoon. I said, you’re taking your, uh, your chanting.

Dr. Blyweiss: She goes, Oh yeah, I’m doing the sprays up my nose. Um, you know, four times a day. And I take my teaspoon on, did the tongue for 30 seconds, three times a day. I said, so with your extra vitamin D and your zinc with her quest, it’s in green tea, because you remember the brouhaha over hydroxy chloroquine. Yes. For, okay. Well, Aquarius quercetin and green tea are also Ayana fours, just like hydroxy chloroquine. And they bring zinc into the white blood cells to fight infection. So if you’re, if you’re taking a drink and you’re having green tea or question tablet, your vitamin D level, hopefully you’re getting it up to about 70 or 75, especially if you have an autoimmune history and autoimmune disease, and you’re taking your cocoon with the silver, you’re not going to have the, the cytokine storms that people were dying from because the silver controls inflammation and the other products help generally immune system plus a good probiotic. So we did all those things. I’m sorry, go ahead.

Dr. Lori Gerber: Okay. That was the follow-up question. It’s all good. We, uh, you, you keep going, you’re doing you’re you’re right on it. I mean, the, the question that I was going to ask you after that, after how does silver help us was, you know, I know we can’t talk about treatment or healing things, but have you used, um, silver for COVID? Um, so have you, now you guys,

Dr. Blyweiss: All I can say is in my experience, in my clinical experience, yes. Right. Um, uh, uh, docs. I know who have been using it, have written me, or called me and said, this is amazing. I know you can’t say anything about this, but I have a patient. This was an ER doc out in California, uh, patient, uh, his, his, uh, SPO two was 90. He was short of breath and he was off color and he was coughing. And, but he wouldn’t go into the ICU, uh, at that time to get on the ventilator. So he went home with the nebulizer and a bottle of our Genten from this doctor. And he nebulized the teaspoon full four times a day. And by the end of the second day, uh, he had no symptoms. His color was back, his SPO to was up in the 96 range and he kept on doing it and he goes, it it’s got to kill COVID.

Dr. Blyweiss: I said, we can’t say that it’s not a drug. It is not intended to treat, diagnose, or cure any disease because it’s not an FDA approved drug and will never be FDA approved. Cause there’s no patentability on it, the right. There’s no, no way for a drug company to make money on it. So, and then two articles came out September 11th. And then I think about six weeks ago, two separate independent clinical trials on a silver nanoparticles and COVID virus. Well, they started out knowing that the silver nanoparticles, the, the Biosys over nanoparticles kills SAR is one that’s no kill SARS, one, um, uh, respiratory syncytial virus and kids, um, have B uh, HIV so that they had a starting point. And it came out both studies that the, the silver nanoparticles kill the tilt, the SARS cov two virus. But you can’t promulgated that because it’s not a drug. And you saw what happened with some idiots who went out there saying they’re, they’re silver, some really crappy silver, unfortunately cure it, everything. And the government jumped on them. So the companies that have the, the only silver to use, can’t say anything,

Dr. Lori Gerber: Been using it since probably April. Um, maybe may when, um, I was doing a lot of COVID testing early on, and I’ve been using COVID or using silver in my COVID ad post COVID syndrome, patients for months and months and months now with a lot of clinical data to suggest that, um, not only does it shorten the course, um, but for my long holler and my post COVID syndrome, the inflammation decreases is exponential. Um, and you know, in additionally helping with taste and smell to come back. So, um, you know, I feel like I’ve been having tons of good success with that, that, and, um, I use, um, something called Bioseeden. I don’t know if you’re familiar.

Dr. Blyweiss: Oh yeah, yeah. By his side. And I know that, do you want to get their curcumin’s up? You want to get their cucumin up. Also, if they have some fatigue you want to also want to bump their, uh, their co Q 10 and then their magnesium, uh, not the one that makes you poop too much. I like the three and eight, I actually liked [inaudible] the mixed Berry from, uh, from Xymogen. But, uh, you want to get the mitochondria back online and that’s going to be cookie 10 magnesium. Remember you can’t make ATP without magnesium, because it’s got to hook into magnesium ATP. So people are deficient in magnesium. They’re not going to have the energy levels that they need. So I would, I would add those things. I think what you’re going to see is come flu season, September, October, November, um, people who have gotten both, uh, injections of the, of the MRI and a, uh, are going to have massive, uh, um, reactions. And those people will probably need to up their, uh, um, their supplements that we’ve spoken about just now.

Dr. Lori Gerber: Right. So have an abnormal flu response. Is that what you’re saying? Like an exacerbated yet? Yeah.

Dr. Blyweiss: Yeah. I mean, they could, you know, and we won’t see, I mean, this is, you know, it we’re all in an experiment right now because there was no time to do a phase three open clinical trial on, on, on the, um, on the Pfizer, modern or any of these. Um, so we’re all in that genetic experiment. Someone asked me about the vaccine. I said, just so we’re clear. I mean, you’re taking it and you want to be safe with this, and that’s going to help. It’s not a vaccine, right? Vaccines, prevent people from getting a disease or spreading it. This does not prevent you from getting the disease. This has made, these are made to, um, make sure you don’t get that sick that you’re in the hospital and you could die, but you can still get the disease, even if you get these shots, because by definition, they’re not a vaccine

Dr. Lori Gerber: When you talk about, um, and I’m shifting back a little bit, but when you talk about COVID, cause we have a couple of minutes left and we’re comparing it to current for chronic inflammation purposes. Right. We, what is your take on the pathophysiology of this? I mean, I have said since probably day one, April, that COVID to me is like Lyme. Okay. It’s, it’s a chronic turn on of the inflammatory system and I’m not, I’m personally not convinced that it completely disappears, um, out of your system at this point. Now, do you have any thoughts on the chronic inflammation pathways? How is it getting chronically turned on? I mean, obviously we know that the treatment protocols are very similar. Um, you know, the core then the bio seed and the glutathione’s the NAC mag silver, but what’s, what’s your thought on it? I mean, I have, I have some thoughts on it as well, so I’m just kinda curious

Dr. Blyweiss: My fault, my fault that although SARS, uh, the Koch to the virus primarily causes, um, lung infection, right? It binds, uh, on the ACE receptors, ACE two receptors in the nasal epithelium, and then down onto the alveolar at the totally of cells. We now know that they found it in the theses of infected people. And we also know that the intestinal epithelial cells, the parasites that we’re talking about in the smaller Testament also express the ACE two receptor. So people who don’t have a strong gut micro by bio, um, they’re going to get sicker more. Uh, we know that respiratory viral infections cause some perturbations in the gut microbiome. So diet, environmental factors, genetics plays a role in shaping the microbiome, and that’s going to shape your ability to decrease inflammation if you get infected. So it will stay around. Um, I think the MRI and a, uh, which usually is destroyed in a certain period of time, you’re still leaving some protein, the spike protein that could get into the, the basement membrane and, uh, causing issue, you know, uh, six months a year later.

Dr. Blyweiss: That, that that’s my concern. So it’s like I’m keeping my family hopefully safe by making sure that they take their supplements. And, um, I think it’s going to do what most viruses do. It’s going to mutate where if he comes and demic and the population at a lower level. And, uh, remember we have, we have retroviruses that became part of our, our DNA over millions of years, right? You, you, you can’t make the sincere show. Trophoblast in the uterus, um, in the amniotic, uh, fat, uh, without a retrovirus that became part of our DNA. And in other words, if we didn’t have a certain virus that became part of our DNA, then we wouldn’t be able to have live births, stupid stuff like that. So it’s going to do what other viruses do. It will circulate to be endemic. Um, and it’s going to stay around

Dr. Lori Gerber: As much as I don’t want to wrap this up. I have to wrap this up and I just lost power for two seconds and got power back on as well. So as if the technology difficulties couldn’t get any easier or worse, um, if you guys want to hear about this topic, feel free to message me after the show at info at mydrlori.com, M Y D R L O R i.com and tune in next week, at six o’clock Eastern standard time, I’m Wednesday, and we will be able to give you some more information, um, on some of these interesting topics and Dr. Blyweiss, it’s been a pleasure to have you on. I do appreciate it. Um, and post COVID syndrome, there is hope for you. That is what I have to say. Cause we can treat this. I know we can help you to get better. All right, guys.

Dr. Blyweiss: Thanks so much, Lori bye-bye
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