The more sedentary you are, the more restricted the diet becomes. And that’s where that keto diet, like, if you’re sedentary, you gotta be real strict about your calories and your macros. And, and, and it’s like I say, if you’re sedentary from an evolutionary standpoint, you’re actually in a disease state. If you’re not, if it’s not just sedentary for a few days of recovery, you, you really gotta be active and really be signaling to yourself. You need to get stronger and fitter and build mitochondria. Otherwise it’s just going to down-regulate your mitochondrial health over time.
General Manager, VESPA Power Products Developer of the Optimized Fat Metabolism (OFM) program
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Anti-Aging Unraveled: Vespa and Fat Metabolism
Peter Defty (01:45):
I, that when you’re a high athlete, you have very tense, small diameter tubes. But if you don’t have the
water and sodium to fill those tubes, you get low blood pressure, you feel faint, you don’t perform.
Right. So that’s another one. Um, I don’t know, I’m off the top of my head. Cue me if you need to, but
we got best being their best was the key. Yeah. The best as a key part of it, because that’s where I’ve
worked with them. And I’ve had somebody do some data gathering, uh, to see how best will work.
Cause she got really curious about this and she did a bunch of testing on various athletes, various diets,
various sports, and she found that Vesper increased fat oxidation anywhere from a half a gram to one
full gram a minute. So it definitely does. It helps the liver function better and it does it working with your
physiology rather than working against it.
Peter Defty (02:37):
Okay. It’s not, shortcutting it the way you do when you do jails or caffeine, you’re not circumventing
your own natural physiology. Um, another big one is strategic carbs and that’s once you got that fat
burning base in, you really got your aerobic, um, function way up that level of carbohydrate tolerance
goes up so big that if you’re willing to do the work to become a really well aerobically fit, that it up to
the athlete. You don’t even think about it as a diet anymore because it doesn’t matter. You can slam the
carbs and it, you know, whether it’s a social event, like, you know, your kids having a birthday party and
you got to have that obligatory piece of cake and ice cream, it’s not going to kill you. Or you go out to
beer and pizza with friends, it’s not going to kill you.
Peter Defty (03:24):
You may feel like crap an hour later, but, but you’re, it’s not going to kill you, but you can also carb load
in the traditional way of having some carbs the day before you’re racing, it won’t impact your, your, um,
fat performance. It’ll actually make you go faster without doing it. And it’ll give you that push. You need
to be able to give yourself that adaptive stretch, where you’re, it’s going to signal to your body. I got to
get stronger. And that’s the problem with keto is you can, you can go all day, but you never can push
yourself. And if you try to push yourself, you can dig yourself a hole. And I don’t know if you’ve seen
much of this, but nowadays I get as many people who’ve dug themselves, adrenal holes, trying to push,
push performance on keto as people who are pushing gels and getting GI distress. Yeah. I mean, I’m sure
you’re seeing that now with keto.
Lori Gerber D.O. (04:11):
Yeah, actually that was going to be one of my points when you were just saying that it’s that when you
you’re your adrenal fatigue when you’re on keto. Cause there is no like glucose utilization. Um,
Peter Defty (04:22):
I was trying to find the glucose. It doesn’t have, and I want to from adrenal stress versus adrenal fatigue,
because one of the doctors I work with said, full-blown adrenal fatigue is like that person’s going to die.
Lori Gerber D.O. (04:34):
I like adrenal overdrive or do we not under drive?
Peter Defty (04:36):
Yeah. I call it adrenal stress because your adrenals are say, talking to you and saying this isn’t working.
So it’s like, like I said, I’m a big believer in ketosis. And when you’re fat adapted really well fat adapted in
terms of performance and health that occasional, um, bludging of carbs won’t hurt you. And, and once
again, I thought this through in terms of evolutionary context and in, in the environment that shaped us
in that evolution context, it makes perfect sense because when fruit was ripe for berries were riper
tubers, right? But we found honey, those were rare occurrences when that food choice was available for
a short period. So we could bludge in our salads and you know, it’s typical carb coma thing. You eat a
bunch of carbs. You pass out, you wake up a couple hours later and you’re fat. You’re, you’re, you’re full,
Peter Defty (05:25):
You don’t feel so good, but guess what? You’re hungry again. You’re alive, you’re alive and you’re hungry
again. So it makes total sense. The method of, of the insulin response, the fat conversion, the fat storage
in that context. And like I say, it makes, you know, back then we were doing it three to five times a year,
not three to five times a day for decades. Like we’re doing it now. Like, like high athletes are doing it
now, you know, and they’re told to eat instead of having the three big sugar spikes a day, you’re having
six or seven smaller ones, but you’re still having all this sugar put through your system. So it makes sense
in the evolutionary sense, but not, not, uh, not the modern sense. And so once you’re fat adapted, we’re
going back to that state where you can. And then the beauty of this is anybody who’s been doing this for
six months to a year, depending on where they’re starting and how fast they catch on, especially the
people who’ve done it for 18 months or two years.
Peter Defty (06:20):
They say, I don’t even think about diet anymore. I eat what I want. I don’t think about it because you just
don’t have those restrictions. The more sedentary you are, the more restricted the diet becomes. And
that’s where that keto diet, like, if you’re sedentary, you gotta be real strict about your calories and your
macros. And, and, and it’s like I say, if you’re sedentary from an evolutionary standpoint, you’re actually
in a disease state. If you’re not, if it’s not just sedentary for a few days of recovery, you, you really gotta
be active and really be signaling to yourself. You need to get stronger and fitter and build mitochondria.
Otherwise it’s just going to down-regulate your mitochondrial health over time.
Lori Gerber D.O. (06:59):
So I’m going to summarize that a little bit, just to kind of clarify. And then we have about a little less
than 10 minutes, a little more than 10 minutes left. So what I want to do after that is move into a little
bit more about Vesper, how it was developed. Um, but just so you guys understand OFM or optimize fat
metabolism, what is it doing for you? It’s working with your own body’s natural physiology, right? How
your body is meant to function. It improves physical performance, faster recovery, improved body
composition. So we’re talking about leaning out. I don’t like to say weight loss because it’s not always
weight loss, but it definitely can be a ratio.
Peter Defty (07:32):
It’s usually a default that’s weight loss. But like I was saying to somebody today, um, cause they were
saying they hadn’t lost a lot of weight. It’s like, and you probably have seen this with you. The scale that
shows you lost a little bit of weight, but you lost, you feel like you lost a lot in terms of how your clothes
fit and what people are saying,
Lori Gerber D.O. (07:51):
Right? You lose the bloat, you lose the fat just starts to leak
Peter Defty (07:55):
To inquiry at the same time. You’re increasing muscle and bone density.
Lori Gerber D.O. (07:59):
Um, mental focus, stability. We’re talking about, uh, you know, potentially,
Peter Defty (08:03):
Yeah, that’s a big one because when the more fat-adapted you are and I’m, and that means you don’t,
down-regulate your, gluc your ability to use glucose on point when you need it. Right? Um, the more fat-
adapted you are, the more blood sugar stable you are. So for, for executive function, emotional stability
and for real fine motor skills, hand, eye coordination, cause some of the first people to use Vesper. And
when on it, before I was involved was, were ice skaters and hockey players. And, and one of the best
examples is 2002 with Alexa yogurt in the Russian figure, skater, he trained and performed on best buy
and what he S he and his coach saw. That was a year. He was the guy who won the Olympic men’s figure
skating with perfect scores at salt Lake city. Okay. He not only won the Olympics, cleaned house, the
Olympics, but that year when we sponsored him and he was using best, but he won every competition
he entered and that will they change the rules.
Peter Defty (09:00):
So that that record of performance will never be repeated, but get this amends long program has only is
less than four minutes long. That’s the long program. And so it requires this, these quick bursts of energy
and super fine motor skills, right? And it wasn’t just because he was able to use be fat adapted. And in
that zone of fat, what I call blood sugar stability, um, which is when your blood sugar stable, because the
first thing to go before you notice fatigue is your fine motor skills. So if you’re a basketball player or
soccer player, you’re shooting, isn’t going to be as good. If you’re a figure skater, you’re going to start to
lose that fine motor. And that’s what they found with him as his coach figure skating. You train with your
coach, watching you. And as soon as you start to get sloppy, you’re off the ice because you’re either
going to do the wrong move wrong, or you’re going to fall and hurt yourself. And what Alexi found with
the best bet is he could train a lot longer and just get that muscle memory. So honed into doing it
perfectly that he could do these triple axles perfectly without even thinking about it. Right. And that’s
the blood sugar stability. So it, doesn’t just, it’s not just an endurance stamina thing. It’s it’s for executive
function, motor skills, emotional stability, the more fat adapted you are, the more stable you are.
Lori Gerber D.O. (10:19):
Right? Cause you don’t have the fluctuations of glucose. I know I’m very reactive, which means
hypoglycemia. Meaning I take in some sugar and I bonk or get real tired, right?
Peter Defty (10:28):
Yeah. What’s a distressing. And when your blood sugar goes down, it’s a just it’s signaling a fight or flight
Lori Gerber D.O. (10:32):
Exactly. But on a fat adapted diet, it doesn’t happen.
Peter Defty (10:37):
Yeah. It’s like, and that’s part of the problem with the fat adaptation is we don’t get so urgent about it’s
like, yeah. So what,
Lori Gerber D.O. (10:44):
Yeah. It gets me in trouble a little bit, but that’s all right.
Peter Defty (10:46):
Yeah. Well, it’s gotten me in a lot of trouble.
Lori Gerber D.O. (10:50):
It makes me a little bit more chill.
Peter Defty (10:53):
Yeah. Cause w you know, I started this in 2000 and started talking to people about since then and Oh
man, until faster came out, I was a lot of arrows in my back and a lot of ridicule and I still get a little bit,
but you know, it, it is what it is. I’m, uh, I’m used to it.
Lori Gerber D.O. (11:07):
Well, we have a couple of minutes. We’ve about seven or eight minutes. So I want to just discuss best
buy and what it is, what are the ingredients, because, and, and also at the end really quickly, I’m just
going to dispel a myth, fat adapted diets or optimized fat metabolism does not create higher
cholesterol. I want to, I want to put that out there as a cause I know that’s going to be something that is
Peter Defty (11:27):
No, not necessarily. And it’s, it’s, it’s a it’s, uh, it’s really about let’s. Let’s, let’s, let’s unpack this just a
little bit, because I know we had only a few years, this problem, this is the problem we’re focusing on
the diet and the blood markers. We’re not focusing on the metabolism. And cholesterol is made up of
lipids, which is fat. When you metabolize the fat cholesterol, isn’t a problem. Whether it’s high
cholesterol, low, low cholesterol is actually a marker of decreased longevity and more disease. Correct.
So, um, one of the things we see with endurance athletes is there’s a tendency for their cholesterol to
go up, but the other more relevant, the other relevant markers go down like cholesterol is a contextual
thing that the drug manufacturers have dumbed down to where we’re, we’re, they’re scaring us into
looking at one number and cholesterol is part of every cell in our body. You know, that, I know that the
audience needs to know that without cholesterol, you don’t have cells, you don’t have hormones. We
don’t have anything without cholesterol it’s. But what happens is in the context of somebody with too
many carbohydrates in the diet, which means you have to burn the glucose. Now the cholesterol backs
up in the, in the blood and doesn’t get metabolized,
Lori Gerber D.O. (12:46):
Right? And I’m going to stop there. And I just want you to tell people, we have like two minutes what
Vesper is and how they can add it into their life.
Peter Defty (12:55):
Okay. Vesper is a natural product using the science of nature. And it was discovered by some Japanese
entomologists who were watching the giant, giant wasp, otherwise known as the murder Hornets. And
they saw I could fly like 70, a hundred kilometers a day and carry a food ball. The SA the, a third of its
weight, back to feed the larva. And they started to say, well, what makes it do this stuff? Because in
terms of strength, stamina, endurance, everything, it, it has to kill the prey. It has to masticate, it has
setback. So they, they said, okay, they, they started following it and seeing how the larva would feed
this, this, this liquid to the wasp and this liquid contain this wasp extract, which, uh, a naturally occurring
illegal peptide that triggers it to burn fat is metabolism for high level fat burning for high level, uh,
athletic, you know, physical performance.
Peter Defty (13:46):
And so they said, well, cells, animal cells are remarkably similar across species, like 97, 98%, same
machinery and say, well, couldn’t this do this in rats and mice and in humans. So they did some mice
studies and showed. They could swim to exhaustion on best buy. They could swim way longer than
control rats. And then they started out with people. And that’s what it is. It works with your body’s
natural metabolism at the liver and muscles to trigger a high level of that metabolism via beta oxidation.
Like we talked before. And so we’re using the science of nature, not the man-made lab. And I’m a, I’m a
real world guy. I’m not a scientist. I have enough science to understand and know what science is. I’m
not a scientist. I don’t build the data. I don’t do studies. I make it work in the real world. And that’s what
we’ve done. And when you look at the performance result of our heroes, um, you can see that these
people of all ages and abilities and levels are seeing this benefit. And, and you know, I have some of
these athletes, one’s a lawyer and he uses
Lori Gerber D.O. (14:54):
I’m so sorry to do this to you. I’m going to just tell you guys, we can have a live with Pete it’s Vesper
power.com forward slash Dr. Laurie D R L O R. I, you have 15% off coupon and I promise I will bring him
back shortly. Peter, I’m sorry.
Peter Defty (15:08):
No, no, no. Don’t apologize. It’s been a great,
Lori Gerber D.O. (15:12):
And uh, on that, we’ll talk, we’ll see you next week on anti-aging unraveled. Thank you.